Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Arabic term or phrase:
... ﻮاﻠﺤﺎﻗﺎ ﻠﺨﻁﺎﺒﻨﺎ ﺮﻗﻡ
English translation:
further to our previous letter no
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Sayed Moustafa talawy
Feb 4, 2008 11:19
16 yrs ago
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Arabic term
English lawyer - 11 years in practice
Native in: English 
Works in: Arabic to English, French to English, Persian (Farsi) to English
... ﻮاﻠﺤﺎﻗﺎ ﻠﺨﻁﺎﺒﻨﺎ ﺮﻗﻡ
Arabic to English
Bus/Financial
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Egyptian usage
This phrase appears in the preamble to a letter. Does the word ﻮاﻠﺤﺎﻗﺎ here mean something like "And further to our letter no ...", or is it a reference to a physical attachment/appendix to that letter?
Many thanks in advance.
Many thanks in advance.
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Change log
Feb 9, 2008 19:01: Sayed Moustafa talawy changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/136406">James Roberts's</a> old entry - "... ﻮاﻠﺤﺎﻗﺎ ﻠﺨﻁﺎﺒﻨﺎ ﺮﻗﻡ "" to ""further to our previous letter no ""
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Sayed Moustafa talawy
Native in Arabic
Works in field
WE do the best for the least
Native in: Arabic 
Works in: Arabic to English, English to Arabic, French to Arabic
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further to our previous letter no
goes like that in most cases
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Every answer was helpful, but this one gets the points for being the first! Many thanks to all, and especially to Khalid for taking the trouble to give a detailed explanation."
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further to our letter no.
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Noha Mostafa
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ahmadwadan.com
Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia
Native in Arabic
Works in field
Saudi Arabia
English-Arabic Financial Translator
Native in: Arabic (Variant: Egyptian)
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English, Arabic, and 1 more.
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referring to our letter No....
سواء كانت العبارة "إلحاقا لخطابنا أو "بالإشارة إلى خطابنا" أرى أن التعبير الإنجليزي الأكثر شيوعا هو ما تقدمت به مع اقتناعي بصحة ما تفضل به الزملاء.
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Amira Mansour
: I beg to differ, Mr. Ahmad! I think there is a difference between إلحاقاً ل and بالإشارة إلى. Referring to means بالإشارة إلى أو إيماءً إلى but إلحاقاً ل means "further to" indicating that this letter follows the letter No.
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I totally understand your point. My proposition here is related to English style or writing such letters.
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Mouna Oueslati
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Reference to our letter..No..
Reference to our letter..No..
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subjoining or appending to our letter number..
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See explanation
Normally I translated “إلحاقاً لخطاب رقم” by Further to our letter no. And also usually this phrase appears at the beginning of the main text after date, greeting and subject.
But I noticed that your phrase appears in the preamble to a letter (before date, greeting and subject. Here we should notice the following.
First: from a superior to inferior
1. Who is the addresser or who is the addressee
2. The importance of the text
If it is a normal letter we should translate as above
If it implies an instruction from a superior entity, this means that this superior entity has made a new regulation or modification to an important letter or law etc. and wants to draw attention to this change and implement it.
We shall translate it as it is implied by the letter text but we shall keep it as near as possible to “Further to our letter??) or adding regarding and mention the letter subject.
Second: From equivalent entities
When the addresser and addressee have a lot of correspondence and issues, we shall translate it:
“A reference to our letter” or any equivalent phrase.
In all cases it shall be in a special font to indicate the importance.
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Sayed Moustafa talawy
: I Agree with you Khalid u are so accurate..:)
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Many thanks Sayed
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