Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Chorturmkirche

English translation:

church with tower above the choir

Added to glossary by British Diana
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German term

Chorturmkirche

German to English Art/Literary Architecture part of a historical church
"Das noch bestehende Untergeschoss eines Turmes aus der Zeit um 1300 im südlichen Winkel zwischen Chor und Langhaus, die heutige Sakristei, weist auf das hohe Altar der Kirche hin. Der Raum bildete ehemals den Chorraum einer Chorturmkirche, in dem bis heute der Alter steht, der 1351 geweiht worden ist."
I'm translating the official brochure (Kunstführer) for our local churches, one of which is the quite well-known Wallfahrtskirche Maria im Weingarten in 97332 Volkach and this is my first problem. How do I translate Chor, Chorraum and Chorturmkirche in this passage? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 church with choir tower
Change log

Oct 16, 2014 17:02: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry

Oct 16, 2014 17:03: British Diana changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/882779">Helen Shiner's</a> old entry - "Chorturmkirche"" to ""church with choir tower""

Discussion

British Diana (asker) Oct 14, 2014:
"a square indented choir with the tower above" thank you, Janek, describes quite well the original church., I think. On the plan I have it is a square area the size of a modern.day room (Chor)and I gather directly above it there used to be a Tower (Turm). So I will probably follow what Helen recommends.
Helen Shiner Oct 14, 2014:
@British Diana I would still be inclined to translate it as I have suggested. The point is that there is no term for this particular, very local architectural feature. As I said before, I think you'll have to footnote it or explain it briefly some other way. In other words, explain what a choir tower is. My references should help you.
British Diana (asker) Oct 14, 2014:
two different churches! Thank you Helen for posting the photos of the church in question (=the subject of my brochure) - but in fact the pictures all show the bigger church built in 1451-1499 and still extant. The Chorturmkirche was the first church on the site and all we have left of it is the sacristy "Das noch bestehende Untergeschoss eines Turmes aus der Zeit um 1300 im südlichen Winkel zwischen Chor und Langhaus, die heutige Sakristei, weist auf das hohe Altar der Kirche hin. Der Raum bildete ehemals den Chorraum einer Chorturmkirche, in dem bis heute der Alter steht, der 1351 geweiht worden ist."
Helen Shiner Oct 14, 2014:
However I should point out, of course, that Christopher is talking about another church altogether.
Helen Shiner Oct 14, 2014:
@writeaway Christopher and I generally agree, but in this case, this is the church in question: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Wallfahrtskirche Maria im ... and its tower sits above the choir rather than being a choir in the shape of a tower.
writeaway Oct 14, 2014:
From a recognised expert on Fr-En: Sorry, but I don't think that what you have in these Alsacian buildings are "choir towers" in the normal sense of the term --i.e., towers over one of the bays of the choir.

The architectural feature seems to be a "tower choir", i.e., a choir *in the shape of* a tower.

It's an awkward phrase, to be sure, but should be used to distinguish this from both a normal choir (without a tower) and a "choir tower."
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/architecture/178...
Helen Shiner Oct 14, 2014:
@British Diana I don't believe there is an accepted term. I would suggest you might say 'church with choir tower', which would be more readily understandable than 'choir tower church' or 'tower choir church'. Given the relative rarity of the architectural form, I would guess your text would explain this particular feature, but perhaps, if not, it would be fine to slip a sentence or a footnote in to explain.
writeaway Oct 14, 2014:
Choir tower church seems to be the translation. Perhaps it's best to leave the German too.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/architecture/178... (a couple of experts have replied)
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BrigitteHilgner Oct 14, 2014:
Tricky "choir tower church" is used as an expression - but mainly in documents from German speaking countries. I don't know whether people in the UK understand the term.
As far as "Chor" and "Chorraum" are concerned, I would use "choir" for both, alternatively "chancel".
Sarah Lewis-Morgan Oct 14, 2014:
Both Chor and Chorraum are "choir" The place where the choir sits is also known as the choir in English. How you would translate Chorturmkirche neatly is a tricky one. I'm not sure there is an exact equivalent.

Proposed translations

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church with choir tower

There are various examples here: http://romania.ici.ro/en/alfabet/pagina.php?id=487 This website does use the incorrect term, 'Romanic' instead of 'Romanesque', but it otherwise seems pretty sound.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2014-10-14 11:53:36 GMT)
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This is a translation, although mostly good, and the translator has also opted for this solution: Romanesque church with choir tower, first mentioned in a document from 1193, with a built vestibule. SUBSIDIARY CHURCH ST. LORENZ IN GROSSBUCH Choir tower structure with Romanesque core. Gothic interior with Baroque renovations. Rare organ from the early 19th century later years, American composer and conductor Leonard Bernstein spent his holidays here (1975, 1977).
http://brochures.austria.info/en_INT/pdfs/show/324
Note from asker:
Thank you Helen. I think you are right; I need to add a little definition/explanation to the direct translation.
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard
6 hrs
Thanks, Phil
agree Jacek Konopka
12 hrs
Thanks, Jacek
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "We are in agreement here. Thanks for your help, Helen"

Reference comments

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Reference:

fwiw, hth

[1] "Der Begriff Chorturmkirche bezeichnet einen Kirchenbau, bei dem sich über dem Altar, meist über einem ausgeschiedenen Altarraum (Chor), ein das Sanktuarium auszeichnender Turm erhebt."[2]
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chorturmkirche

Chorturmkirche
Ein Chorturm ist ein über dem Chor (Altarraum) einer Kirche errichteter Kirchturm, der häufig auch als Glockenturm dient. Kirchen mit einem solchen Chorturm werden Chorturmkirche genannt. Dieser Bautyp entstand in der Zeit der Romanik und war im Mittelalter vor allem in ländlichen Gegenden in Mittel- und Süddeutschland, in Thüringen, im Elsass und in Skandinavien bei kleineren Kirchen verbreitet. In manchen Gegenden hielt sich diese Form über das Ende des Mittelalters hinaus.
http://www.cyclopaedia.de/wiki/Chorturmkirche
Note from asker:
Thank you, writeaway
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Jacek Konopka
10 mins
agree Sarah Lewis-Morgan
9 hrs
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Reference:

Chortumkirche- and collegiate church

The small village Sylbitz is situated a few kilometres southwest of the well-known mountain Petersberg with it´s famous collegiate church. Historical sources mention the site as “Sulwitz” for the first time in 1260AD. The historical document concerning the purchase of land by the inhabitants of the village in order to support their church refers to a priest of Sylbitz. Therefore this source is not only important because it keeps the oldest information about the church but also because it mentions it´s parish rights already. Nonetheless, during the manifestation of these records the church itself was already about 60 years old. Architectural traits and dendrochronological analysis of timbers from the tower point towards an edification at around 1200AD.
This church, situated on a hill at the edge of the village is of high art- and cultural-historical relevance. One of it´s peculiarities is the position of the tower which in this region usually has been erected in the west – but in Sylbitz the tower raises in the East, above the choir. This distinct feature is focussed on the Frankonian and Thuringian area. Moreover, the building has not underwent major architectural rearrangements. In opposition to most of the surrounding rural churches most of the original Romanesque nature has been preserved here. The only remarkable changes happened during the 17th century when the windows of the Southern wall had been enlarged and wooden stalls together with a gallery and a pulpit had been added. Further, in 1863 the old morgue had been substituted by the still existing porch. The large number of preserved Medieval ornaments and furnishings bestow a special experiencable consistency. This original atmosphere of a Medieval rural parish curch can hardly be found anywhere else in this region.

The church consists of a rectangular hall, a square indented choir with the tower above and a semicircular apse. Nave and tower each carry a saddleback roof. The walls were made of the local porphyry, only wall corners and ornaments were made of sandstone. That in mind, the the apse built completely of sandstone seems striking and reveals the emphase this special part, the sanctum, underwent. The tapering of the building and the stepwise elevation of the floor level create a staggering of the inner space which automatically leads the eye of the entering visitor to the left, i.e. the altar and the apse. Except for the roof structure the fabric of the building originates from the erection era. The small round arched windows in the northern wall show, together with the apse window, the original lighting design whereas the windows in the southern wall have been enlarged during the Baroque in order to enhance brightness. But due to remaining splays of the original windows their shape and position are reconstructable. Further original are the quatrefoil in the western gable and all openings in the tower (the oeil de boeuf in it´s southern wall and all four biforia of the belfry).

The entrance is, esp. for a rural church, remarkably elaborate designed. It is a staged portal framed by roll moulding topped by a tympanon. This tympanon shows the tree of life in the center and on it´s left hand side palmette leaves and rosettes which may be interpreted as symbols for the paradise. The right side carries two animals. Unfortunately they cannot be identified precisely due to their rough shapes. Nonetheless, the theme does not seem to be biblical but rather derived from an (ancient) fable (maybe “The Wolf and the Crane”).

Of all four belfry windows only the eastern is divided by an old column. It´s capital (leave ornamentation) and base reveal an early Gothic age. Repair marks suggest, that this column has been installed somewhat later.
Well crafted masonry can also be found within the church. The sandstone ashlars of the triumph and apse arches show typical traces of flattening. The imposts were shaped in a late Romanesque profile. Those typical mason traces can also be found at the ashlars of the altar, suggesting a same age as the church. A large “table” stone – the mensa – caps the altar. A small hole in it´s centre, the sepulcrum, once contained relics but is now empty. Well crafted crosses are carved into both western corners of the mensa. In order to allow the priest enough ceremonial space behind the altar, the western corners of the mensa are rounded.
A small hole in the southern wall of the choire once contained liturgical vestments. The sacrament niche in the northern wall is framed by a keel arch and therefore from late Gothic times. Construction joints clearly show their later installation. It further crosses red wall paintings which shine through the whitewashing everywhere in the choir. These observations suggest a Medieval origin of the wall paintings. Of course, the apse had been finished with paintings, too, but they are lost since a complete new plastering of the apse took place in 1951.

The chalice-shaped font is standing in the nave. It is impressively large, since the pre-reformatory baptism ceremony regarded the complete emersion of the child. The basin has been filled in in later times and covered with a shallow metal dish. Although the font does not date back to the construction date of the church at about 1200 AD, it has probably been installed shortly after, i.e. about 50 years later.

A chest made of a single oak log adds to the medieval inventory of the church. This tree trunk has been reinforced with iron strapes for ornamentation and security reasons. It dates to the 13th ct. AD and may have already been carried into the church during the time of construction. The same could be suspected for the smaller of the two bronze bells where not only the shape but also a bracteate moulded on the outer skin of the bell suggest an origin around 1200 AD.

Gallery, pulpit and stalls have been constructed in the late 17th ct. They are unostentatious and fit therefore well into the plain building. A Baroque wooden superstructure for the altar which, as documented on photos, still existed in 1960 has completely gone missing. Noteworthy is further the organ upon the western gallery. It is an early and completely mechanical piece by the well-known manufactory Rühlmann of Zörbig, made in 1877.

The old age of the Sylbitz church has left it´s traces but the by far worse destructions happened during the period of vacancy and abandonment in the last decades. In order to not only stop the decay but also bring the building back to cultural and religious live the association “Förderverein Chorturmkirche Sylbitz e.V.” has been founded in 2001. Over the last ten years the association raised funds and arranged the reconstruction of the roof and the restoration of the organ. Meanwhile the church became again a place of social gatherings, weddings, baptisms, obsequies and services but also of concerts and art exhibitions.

http://www.chorturmkirche-sylbitz.de/kirchgesch_e.php

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Note added at   2 godz. (2014-10-14 10:14:51 GMT)
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THERE IS A GERMAN VERSION IN LINK, please see above
Note from asker:
Thank you very much for this, Jacek, especially for the words "a square indented choir with the tower above", as that is what I am aiming at!
Peer comments on this reference comment:

disagree Sarah Lewis-Morgan : In my opinion, Collegiate Church is not an architectural term, but rather a functional one
12 mins
Sorry, SIR IT WAS NOT A translation, IT WAS A REFERENCE. IT WAS NOT AN ANSWER,too. /nature of the church et/So grading that ref. with minus/points for me spending circa 45 minutes in order to help somewhat the ASKER is STRANGE Did You see the word AND
neutral writeaway : don't see how all this applies.
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Thank You very much for Your comment.
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