Nov 14, 2023 09:02
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French term
accréditer leur ministère
French to English
Art/Literary
History
L’idée que ces Missionnaires donnèrent de leur capacité, servit beaucoup à accréditer leur ministère, et à faire estimer la Religion qu’ils prêchaient.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | give credit to their calling |
Bourth
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| 4 +3 | lend credibility to their ministry |
philgoddard
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| 3 | show (shew) proof of their ministry |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 -3 | "accredit their ministry" |
| ChatGPT |
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Proposed translations
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give credit to their calling
"There are saloonkeepers who set their faces against this awful traffic, and refuse to sell their goods to boys. Such men give credit to their calling, but those who fail to "heed this rule are sowing the seed of a whirlwind."
Duluth Evening Herald, October 23, 1907
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Note added at 4 hrs (2023-11-14 13:35:16 GMT)
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Calling / ministry
To my mind (obviously) a religious 'calling' is as near as damn it to 'ministry' as my atheist soul is (from a believer's point of view) to purgatory.
https://sbccalled.com/the-call-to-ministry/
https://www.apuritansmind.com/pastors-study/what-is-a-call-t...
https://careynieuwhof.com/why-its-time-to-rethink-what-it-me...
Le ministère dans le christianisme est le service qu'un croyant ou une croyante accomplit selon un appel particulier de Dieu pour l'Église et la mission.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministère_(christianisme)
"The Church of England defines the ministry of priests as follows:
Priests are called to be servants and shepherds among the people to whom they are sent. With their Bishop and fellow ministers, they are to proclaim the word of the Lord and to watch for the signs of God's new creation. […] Depending on the denomination, the requirements for ministry vary. All denominations require the minister to have a vocation, a sense of calling. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_(Christianity)
"A calling, in the religious sense of the word, is a religious vocation (which comes from the Latin for "call") that may be professional or voluntary and, idiosyncratic to different religions, may come from another person, from a divine messenger, or from within oneself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_calling
Duluth Evening Herald, October 23, 1907
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Note added at 4 hrs (2023-11-14 13:35:16 GMT)
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Calling / ministry
To my mind (obviously) a religious 'calling' is as near as damn it to 'ministry' as my atheist soul is (from a believer's point of view) to purgatory.
https://sbccalled.com/the-call-to-ministry/
https://www.apuritansmind.com/pastors-study/what-is-a-call-t...
https://careynieuwhof.com/why-its-time-to-rethink-what-it-me...
Le ministère dans le christianisme est le service qu'un croyant ou une croyante accomplit selon un appel particulier de Dieu pour l'Église et la mission.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministère_(christianisme)
"The Church of England defines the ministry of priests as follows:
Priests are called to be servants and shepherds among the people to whom they are sent. With their Bishop and fellow ministers, they are to proclaim the word of the Lord and to watch for the signs of God's new creation. […] Depending on the denomination, the requirements for ministry vary. All denominations require the minister to have a vocation, a sense of calling. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_(Christianity)
"A calling, in the religious sense of the word, is a religious vocation (which comes from the Latin for "call") that may be professional or voluntary and, idiosyncratic to different religions, may come from another person, from a divine messenger, or from within oneself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_calling
Note from asker:
| merci beaucoup Monsieur ! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
liz askew
10 mins
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| agree |
writeaway
3 hrs
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| neutral |
philgoddard
: Surely calling is not the same as ministry.//Calling is 'appel', as your examples show. Ministry theoretically means looking after people - though in the case of missionaries it often means making a nuisance of yourself.
3 hrs
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See my added comment above.
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| agree |
Rachel Fell
3 hrs
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| neutral |
Emmanuella
: L'appel de Dieu ( passivité) Ministère ( exige de prêcher = activité)
4 hrs
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| neutral |
Yvonne Gallagher
: really don't see how any of this works. "Calling" =vocation. "Ministry" is the activity involved in this vocation
2 days 2 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci beaucoup Monsieur ！！"
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0 min
"accredit their ministry"
In this context, "accréditer leur ministère" means to validate or give credibility to their ministry. Examples:
- Their remarkable results helped to accredit their ministry among the local community.
- The positive feedback from people attending their sermons greatly accredited their ministry.
- The support of influential figures helped to accredit their ministry on a broader scale.
- Their remarkable results helped to accredit their ministry among the local community.
- The positive feedback from people attending their sermons greatly accredited their ministry.
- The support of influential figures helped to accredit their ministry on a broader scale.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
liz askew
: no hits for this, also this is AI -generated
45 mins
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| disagree |
Bourth
: Blindly believing AI is like blindly believing politicians.
1 hr
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| neutral |
Adrian MM.
: it's paradoxical that opponents of AI - artificial intelligence or absolute idiocy use a dearth of AI-generated g/hits as an argument or crutch,
2 hrs
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| neutral |
SafeTex
: Proz misuses ChatGTP. Please see my remark in the discussion
23 hrs
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| disagree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: "accredit" is clearly wrong
2 days 3 hrs
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2 hrs
Adrian MM.
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show (shew) proof of their ministry
’l'idée que ces Missionnaires donnèrent de leur capacité, servit beaucoup à accréditer leur ministère : the idea that Missionaries gave of their time and effort does much to show proof of (lend credence to) their ministry -> preferably small 'm' to avoid a mix-up with a political ministry.
Example sentence:
Proof is evidence. Provide sufficient evidence to men and demons that you did not send yourself. 3. To justify your abandonment of other pursuits of life. To make full proof of Ministry is to justify the reason why you left your profession to preach the G
Reference:
http://search.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/other/615409-christian-ministry.html
http://ww.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/lend-credence-to
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Emmanuella
: https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/accréditer#:~:text=− Accrédi...
3 hrs
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+3
4 hrs
philgoddard
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Related KudoZ points
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10
lend credibility to their ministry
I hate to say this, but ChatGPT is almost right. I think 'accredit' is the wrong choice of word because it usually implies "give official sanction to", but its explanation is correct.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Emmanuella
4 mins
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| agree |
Nicole Acher
: Ministry is a good choice here, and "lend credibility to" is a better translation than "accredit" in this case
10 hrs
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| agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: yes to "ministry". Not so sure about the rest though certainly better than alternatives
1 day 22 hrs
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Discussion
J'essaie d'expliquer la différence entre 'appel' (calling) proposé et expliqué en long et en large par Bourth et 'ministère'( ministry cf. commentaire de Phil).
Pour la vidéo , seule la légende importe ( reconnaitre l'appel pour votre ministère)
P.S https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/accréditer#:~:text=− Accrédi...
Can you please explain to me how these references help? They are about ministries but what sentence or paragraph are we meant to look at? And one of them is a video so at what timestamp is it relevant?
Thanks
If i've understood correctly, an asker can request a suggestion from ChatGPT but the entire sentence is not feed into ChatGPT, only the word or phrase requested by the asker.
This is a fundamental flaw in Proz as you cannot use or judge ChatGPT this way. It should be prompted with the context and given the entire segment. If you do this, ChatGPT 3.5 proposes:
The idea that these Missionaries gave of their ability greatly helped to ***establish their ministry*** and to make the Religion they preached respected.
In this case, the proposed answer if far closer to other answers, although I don't think ChatGPT's answer is the best in this case.
Just for your info
Appel ( de Dieu) / Ministère
Ministère pastoral féminin
https://www.gotquestions.org/Francais/femmes-pasteurs.html
Ministère de Jésus
https://www.thehopeproject.com/fr/guide-detude/9-le-minister...
Ministère du Pape
https://www.persee.fr/doc/thlou_0080-2654_2006_num_37_1_3489