Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
conseiller du prince
English translation:
privy council
Added to glossary by
Gad Kohenov
May 9, 2010 15:45
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French term
France
conseiller du prince
French to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
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In a text about the policy of the French Academy of Medicine during WW2-
A cette date, confiants dans leur capacité à infléchir la politique de rationnement, les membres de l'Académie de médecine se conforment donc strictement à leur rôle de conseillers du prince...
A cette date, confiants dans leur capacité à infléchir la politique de rationnement, les membres de l'Académie de médecine se conforment donc strictement à leur rôle de conseillers du prince...
Proposed translations
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| 3 | privy council |
Gad Kohenov
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| 4 +2 | advisors to the prince |
Fiorsam
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| 4 | The Prince's counsel |
Michel F. Morin
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| 4 | counselor to the prince |
Susan Nicholls
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| 3 | Privy Counsellor (PC) |
Hazel Le Goff
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Change log
May 11, 2010 19:39: Gad Kohenov Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Peer comment(s):
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Chris Hall
: These are people (i.e. the advisers) and not the organisation itself.
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think out of the box
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philgoddard
: I actually think this is better than anything containing the word "prince". You could say "a kind of privy council".
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Thanks a lot~~
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all for your thoughtful answers. I think that phil is right that its better to avoid the word prince here. "A kind of privy council" seems appropriate to me."
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The Prince's counsel
After the Queen's (or King's) Counsel
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Susan Nicholls
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counselor to the prince
"conseiller du prince" is an expression referring to the use of knowledge to influence government. It does not refer to a real situation in post-revolutionary France. I belive the ENglish translation is a direct equivalent.
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1051834
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-05-09 18:55:10 GMT)
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sorry about the typos, should have been "believe the English...."
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1051834
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-05-09 18:55:10 GMT)
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sorry about the typos, should have been "believe the English...."
Reference:
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Privy Counsellor (PC)
References to a Privy Council of senior advisers to the Sovereign date back to the 14th century, though such advisers had been close to kings long before that. Today Privy Counsellors include all members of the Cabinet, other senior ministers, leaders of opposition parties, Lords Justice of Appeal, and the Archbishops of Canterbury and York. Some members are also drawn from the Commonwealth. The appointment is for life, but under modern convention only members of the Government are normally summoned to meetings, together with new Privy Counsellors who have to take part in a short ceremony involving swearing an oath of allegiance and kissing of The Queen's hand. Should there be a need for The Privy Council to meet in The Queen's absence, Her Majesty, by Letters Patent, creates senior members of the Royal Family Councillors of State, enabling them to represent her in summoning a Privy Council meeting.
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advisors to the prince
Feb 7, 2008 ... This way, the most important advisors to the prince would feel confident in giving their honest opinion on matters asked about. ...
bookstove.com/classics/machiavelli-on-advisors/
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Note added at 19 hrs (2010-05-10 11:20:28 GMT)
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Questo forse sarà d'aiuto nel chiarire il significato della frase (credo che in inglese l'espressione dovrebbe essere messa fra virgolette:
"Consigliere del Principe": questo forse sarà d'aiuto nel chiarire il significato della frase (credo che in inglese l'espressione dovrebbe essere messa fra virgolette):
"...Tra le chiavi di lettura utilizzabili a tale scopo, una è sicuramente costituita dall’analisi dei periodi trascorsi da Spinelli nella veste di “Consigliere del Principe”, vale a dire il collaboratore di personaggi politici di primo piano, in grado di dare un contributo effettivo al processo di unificazione europea..."
www.gips.unisi.it/files/wp23.pdf
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Note added at 19 hrs (2010-05-10 11:22:08 GMT)
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Scusate la ripetizione!
bookstove.com/classics/machiavelli-on-advisors/
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Note added at 19 hrs (2010-05-10 11:20:28 GMT)
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Questo forse sarà d'aiuto nel chiarire il significato della frase (credo che in inglese l'espressione dovrebbe essere messa fra virgolette:
"Consigliere del Principe": questo forse sarà d'aiuto nel chiarire il significato della frase (credo che in inglese l'espressione dovrebbe essere messa fra virgolette):
"...Tra le chiavi di lettura utilizzabili a tale scopo, una è sicuramente costituita dall’analisi dei periodi trascorsi da Spinelli nella veste di “Consigliere del Principe”, vale a dire il collaboratore di personaggi politici di primo piano, in grado di dare un contributo effettivo al processo di unificazione europea..."
www.gips.unisi.it/files/wp23.pdf
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Note added at 19 hrs (2010-05-10 11:22:08 GMT)
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Scusate la ripetizione!
Peer comment(s):
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Chris Hall
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thank you Chris!
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philgoddard
: I think this is too literal - it's a figure of speech, there's no prince involved
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B D Finch
: See my discussion entry
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Thanks! in fact, as you can see, the URL in my example clearly refers to Machiavelli.
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Discussion
"...Tra le chiavi di lettura utilizzabili a tale scopo, una è sicuramente costituita dall’analisi dei periodi trascorsi da Spinelli nella veste di “Consigliere del Principe”, vale a dire il collaboratore di personaggi politici di primo piano, in grado di dare un contributo effettivo al processo di unificazione europea..."
www.gips.unisi.it/files/wp23.pdf