Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
souffle systolique en écharpe
English translation:
apical systolic murmur with cephalad or upward propagation or radiation
Added to glossary by
Michael Lotz
Jul 7, 2009 10:22
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French term
en écharpe
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Medical (general)
Cardiology - atrial fibrillation
Hello
Despite having a very good look on the Web, I am unable to pin down this phrase in English.
Cliniquement le poids sec est a 60,500 kilos, il n'y a pas d'oedeme, pas de signe d'insuffisance cardiaque, la tension est a 140/100 et le souffle systolique en écharpe est inchangé 2/6eme.
Is this "accentuated"??
Thank you!
Liz Askew
Despite having a very good look on the Web, I am unable to pin down this phrase in English.
Cliniquement le poids sec est a 60,500 kilos, il n'y a pas d'oedeme, pas de signe d'insuffisance cardiaque, la tension est a 140/100 et le souffle systolique en écharpe est inchangé 2/6eme.
Is this "accentuated"??
Thank you!
Liz Askew
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | apical systolic murmur with cephalad or upward propagation |
Michael Lotz
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| 3 | Systolic murmurs |
Drmanu49
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| 3 | (Systolic murmur) radiated widely to upper sternal borders and neck |
Omar Lima Quintana
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Jul 12, 2009 18:19: Michael Lotz Created KOG entry
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French term (edited):
souffle systolique en écharpe
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apical systolic murmur with cephalad or upward propagation
describes apical murmur with cephalad or upward propagation.
use of the "scarf" shape to describe it; classical French cardiology term.
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Note added at 11 minutes (2009-07-07 10:33:59 GMT)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4962048
best reference:
http://books.google.com/books?id=d8nyp_InCpIC&pg=RA2-PA48&lp...
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Note added at 11 minutes (2009-07-07 10:34:21 GMT)
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CARDIOLOGIE. 3ème édition By André Vacheron, Claude Le Feuvre, Jean Di Matteo
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Note added at 36 minutes (2009-07-07 10:59:15 GMT)
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To include all the information contained in "souffle systolique en écharpe", yes one might have to be longer than the French. Perhaps there is a more concise way to say it. Just "accentuated" does not tell the observation, which has a value for its differential diagnosis as well as specificity for this patient's murmur. That is my opinion in any event.
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Note added at 8 heures (2009-07-07 19:02:01 GMT)
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Better synonym from medical usuage.
Revised exact suggestion: "apical murmur with upward radiation"
Thank to SJLD for reminding me later in the day.
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Note added at 21 heures (2009-07-08 07:55:30 GMT)
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But to be clear,
"Propagation" is the same meaning in general language and is what is meant."Radiation" I would only used in this sense as medical jargon and is appropriate here.
use of the "scarf" shape to describe it; classical French cardiology term.
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Note added at 11 minutes (2009-07-07 10:33:59 GMT)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4962048
best reference:
http://books.google.com/books?id=d8nyp_InCpIC&pg=RA2-PA48&lp...
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Note added at 11 minutes (2009-07-07 10:34:21 GMT)
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CARDIOLOGIE. 3ème édition By André Vacheron, Claude Le Feuvre, Jean Di Matteo
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Note added at 36 minutes (2009-07-07 10:59:15 GMT)
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To include all the information contained in "souffle systolique en écharpe", yes one might have to be longer than the French. Perhaps there is a more concise way to say it. Just "accentuated" does not tell the observation, which has a value for its differential diagnosis as well as specificity for this patient's murmur. That is my opinion in any event.
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Note added at 8 heures (2009-07-07 19:02:01 GMT)
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Better synonym from medical usuage.
Revised exact suggestion: "apical murmur with upward radiation"
Thank to SJLD for reminding me later in the day.
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Note added at 21 heures (2009-07-08 07:55:30 GMT)
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But to be clear,
"Propagation" is the same meaning in general language and is what is meant."Radiation" I would only used in this sense as medical jargon and is appropriate here.
Note from asker:
| So, "accentuated" wouldn't cover it?:-) so, I need to include your entire phrase to describe this? Sorry to be a bit thick here, but it is very long-winded in English (surprisingly:-)) |
| Dear Michael, I am taking your advice and am going to use this entire phrase.....thank you very much indeed for taking the time to help me here! I wish you a very good day! |
| Note for writeaway: anybody doing medical translators should ask other professionals for help when they get stuck, and thus avoid bad translations:-) |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
writeaway
: wow-this is why I don't even think about touching medical translations. One really needs to have a medical background to keep from killing people with mistranslations. bad legal only lands them in court/jail. ;-)
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thanks writeaway
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| agree |
SJLD
: upward radiation?
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yes, better radiation than propagation. Correct synonym but radiation rings the bell from my medical dictations, of course. My early morning reading overcame my medical lingo reflex--thanks S.
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Systolic murmurs
Systolic murmurs radiating across the chest in elderly have the same ... we consider the term mitro-aortic murmur used by Huchard should be dropped; ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/174195
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/174195
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Discussion
More commonly used. Both are perfectly correct.
Thanks, SJLD.