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Glossary entry

Danish term or phrase:

frokostbordet

English translation:

It will keep the snaps cold at the table during lunch

Added to glossary by Charlesp
Apr 17, 2005 12:55
19 yrs ago
Danish term

frokostbordet

Danish to English Marketing Cooking / Culinary
The original text says "... mini-cooleren med AKVAVIT i fryseren, og stil den på frokostbordet, hvor den vil holde akvavitterne kolde."

I translated "frokostbordet" as kitchen table - of course it litterally means lunch table, but that implies drinking at lunch, so I translated it to "kitchen table." And now I am getting a complaint from the client (via the agency).

Any comments. Is this really such an incorrect translation?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 It will keep the snaps cold at the table during lunch
5 +1 table/dining table
5 table on which lunch is served
5 -1 Lunch table
4 -2 the buffet

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Apr 17, 2005:
thanks. yea, maybe you are right - maybe kitchen was too limiting. Thanks for your comment.
Dana Sackett Lössl Apr 17, 2005:
Hi Charles. It does mean lunch table (not breakfast table or anything else). The table isn't necessarily in the kitchen; it could be on a patio, for instance. Normally, I would consider this only a minor error.

Proposed translations

+2
2 hrs
Selected

It will keep the snaps cold at the table during lunch

I think you would have to look at explaining why it is on the table rather than the geographical location in order to get the meaning over.
You could also say - For that buffet occasion it will keep the snaps bottle cold and close at hand (or some such).
Peer comment(s):
agree Christine Andersen : A good breakthrough here - I was going to suggest 'dining table', but that sounds a bit old fashioned somehow. Rephrase it an concentrate on the situation (which as Sven points out is implied in 'frokostbord')
14 hrs
agree Dana Sackett Lössl
15 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for all your answers, and comments and agree/disagres. This one is difficult. I'll go with Pia's answer, "It will keep the snaps cold at the table during lunch" partly because it got the most points, and partly because yes, I think this is the closest possible. Thanks!"
+1
15 mins

table/dining table

Firstly, if you are having akvavit, you are certainly drinking! And you certainly would not be drinking akvavit at the kitchen table. And - even when you are having lunch, you would probably have it at a dining table or outside or somewhere else - "lunch table" really refers to all the different dishes served at a Danish smorgasbord. So yes, "kitchen table" really doesn't make sense here.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Sven Petersson : Please see my answer.
1 hr
As mentioned previously, you still need something to put this cooler on, in all likelyhood a table, definitely not a "buffet" at least not in Denmark.
agree Suzanne Blangsted (X) : using the word "table" covers everything here, kitchen table. dining or lunch table.
9 hrs
agree Dana Sackett Lössl
18 hrs
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-1
1 hr

Lunch table

This would imply any table that you use for eating lunch, e.g. "setting a lunch table/ setting the table for lunch, and lunch can be any kind of food, not nececcarily a buffet as Sven is suggesting.

It's definately not a Kitchen table!
Reference:

http://www.styleathome.com/StyleAtHome/client/en/today/Detailnews2.asp?idNews=3314&bSearch=True

Peer comment(s):
disagree Sven Petersson : Your reference and your proffered translation both fail to communicate the splendor of the Danish "frokostbord".
31 mins
I am quite aware of the "splendor" of the Danish frokostbord, but that's not really the issue here.
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2 hrs

table on which lunch is served

This is a paraphrase of course, but nobody would be in any doubt about what was meant in the given context. :-)

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Note added at 2 hrs 10 mins (2005-04-17 15:05:44 GMT)
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A lunch table is not a special table in any way - just a table.
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-2
1 hr

the buffet

"Frokostbord" does not refer to a piece of furniture but to a way of presenting food and beverages. The closest English equivalent would be "buffet".

"Kitchen table" is definitely a grave mistranslation.

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Note added at 2 hrs 15 mins (2005-04-17 15:10:14 GMT)
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Words are but for describing what we see, smell, taste, etc.

Here are 3 pictures of \"frokostbord\":

http://home.hib.no/studorg/studentparlamentet/picLarge/froko...
http://www.holmslandskole.dk/Faelles/Motionsdagen/Motion67.j...
http://www.gastrocorner.dk/webartikler/images/elementfoto271...

This is what is to be communicated!


Peer comment(s):
disagree Bente Sorensen : I agree with the meaning of "frokostbord", but I still believe that they intend to say that this cooling device should be/can be placed directly on the table (close to the small "snapseglas".
35 mins
Please see "Note added 2 hrs 15 mins"!
disagree Suzanne Blangsted (X) : "buffet" in Denmark is a large side table on which all the food is placed and not a frokostbord
7 hrs
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