Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

koopvernietigende vordering

English translation:

latent defect claim; hidden defect claim

Added to glossary by Lotte Nouwkens
May 28, 2013 20:28
10 yrs ago
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Dutch term

koopvernietigende vordering

Dutch to English Law/Patents Law (general) Statuten / Articles of Association
uit de Statuten van een Vlaamse vzw, bevoegdheden van de Raad van Bestuur.

De hele zin luidt:
"De Raad van Bestuur kan o.m. ontslagen of handlichtingen geven met of zonder verzaking aan alle voorrechten en koopvernietigende vordering"

Het gaat erom dat de RvB de inschrijving van de verkoop in het hypotheekregister kan beletten of laten schrappen, met of zonder afstand te doen van haar voorrechten en van haar recht om een vordering te stellen tot ontbinding van de koopovereenkomst,
als ik het goed begrepen heb.

Enige suggesties voor "koopvernietigende vordering"?
Zie ook http://www.proz.com/kudoz/5220280

Dit is blijkbaar een geijkte Vlaamse zin maar ik heb nog nergens Engelse vertalingen teruggevonden, dus in plaats van er een vertaling voor te "verzinnen" wil ik graag bij jullie informeren..

Bedankt
Change log

May 29, 2013 13:01: Lotte Nouwkens changed "Language pair" from "Flemish to English" to "Dutch to English"

Discussion

Michael Beijer May 30, 2013:
koopvernietigende vordering = latent defect claim How about 'latent defect claim'?
Lotte Nouwkens (asker) May 29, 2013:
(right to) claim rescission of the sale agreement http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/rescission:
"The abrogation of a contract, effective from its inception, thereby restoring the parties to the positions they would have occupied if no contract had ever been formed."
This sounds good to me, and more general that redhibition, which seems to always relate to a fault or defect. If I understand it correctly, contracts can by rescinded by mutual agreement, "for cause", without further definition of what the cause may be.

@Kitty: Would you like to enter your suggestion as an anwser?
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
@Kitty: Yes, it might be necessary to explain it rather than just opt for a short, neat phrase.

Your suggestion seems pretty good to me. Garner defines 'redhibition' as:

'the voidance of a sale as the result of an action brought on account of some defect in something sold, on grounds that the defect renders the thing sold either useless or so imperfect that the buyer would not have purchased if the buyer had known of the defect'
Kitty Brussaard May 29, 2013:
(right to) claim rescission of the sale agreement Perhaps something along these lines?
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
latent claims (insurance context) & latent defects 'Latent claims: Claims resulting from perils or causes that the insurer is unaware of at the time of writing a policy, and for which the potential for claims to be made many years later has not been appreciated. The first claims from these sources may often not be apparent until many years after the period of cover. Sources of latent claims already experienced include asbestos- related diseases, pollution and industrial deafness.'

(http://actuarialwiki.org/index.php?title=Latent_claims )


'latent defect: In the law of the sale of property (both real estate and personal property or chattels) a latent defect is a fault in the property that could not have been discovered by a reasonably thorough inspection before the sale.'

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_defect )
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
'latent claim'? In an insurance context it seems you could call this a 'latent claim' (as mentioned by Charles Davis, here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law:_contracts/...

'What is a latent claim?
ST3 Definition
“Claims resulting from perils or causes that the
insurer is unaware of at the time of writing a
policy, and for which the potential for claims to be
made many years later has not been appreciated.
The first claims from these sources may often not
be apparent until many years after the period of
cover.”' (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web... )
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
2 more, the second one for 'redhibition claim' ••• (on some poorly-written German eBay pages) •••
' BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IS A PRIVATE AUCTION AND THE PIECES ARE A SHORT TIME OR NEVER WORN, SO I DON`T PROVE CONVERSION RIGHTS, RIGHT OF WITHDRAWAL, RIGHT OF RETURN OR REDHIBITORY ACTION!' etc.

••• ('redhibition claim': found in a British 'TERMS & CONDITIONS FOR ACT OF SALE' •••
; (i) any and all redhibition claims and/or (j) any other representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, with respect to the equipment. (http://www.selftrading.co.uk/images/act_of_sale.pdf )
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
usage of 'redhibitory claim' in various countries ••• (this is about Chile) •••
'With regard to the redhibitory action, Article 1866 of the Civil Code sets that the limitation period for the filing of an action will be as indicated by the law in all cases where the contracting parties have failed to extend or restrict such period.' (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web... )

••• (about Argentina) •••
'... it does stipulate a “redhibitory action” that may be filed in the case of transfer .... ' (http://www.iclg.co.uk/practice-areas/environment-and-climate... )

••• (operating manual, on a UK site, for a boiler of a German company) •••
'12 Warranty conditions

(...)

c) Any further warranty (redhibitory action, reduction of price) is excluded.' (http://www.kingspansolar.co.uk/DatabaseDocs/doc_6528518_sola... )
Michael Beijer May 29, 2013:
Garner's Dictionary of Legal Usage: 'REDHIBITION:

Louisiana is the only American jurisdiction in which this civil-law term is used. It denotes the voidance of a sale as the result of an action brought on account of some defect in something sold, on grounds that the defect renders the thing sold either useless or so imperfect that the buyer would not have purchased if the buyer had known of the defect. Redhibitory is the usual adjectival form.'
Michael Beijer May 28, 2013:
info JurLex: een koopvernietigend gebrek = a redhibitory defect

redhibition: the nullification of a sale because of a defect in the article sold of such nature as to make it totally or virtually unusable or as to have prevented the purchase if known to the buyer. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redhibitory )

Proposed translations

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latent defect claim; hidden defect claim

This is basically a slight improvement of my previous answer: 'latent claim'.

We are indeed, as Kitty pointed out, dealing with a: '(right to) claim rescission of the sale agreement'. However, this is only part of it. What also needs to be included in the translation is reference to the so-called 'latent defect' (het verborgen gebrek).

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In 'Het nieuwe kooprecht', Sophie Stijns writes:

'Indien het verborgen gebrek waardoor de verkochte zaak is aangetast beantwoordt aan de vereisten die daarvoor door de rechtspraak en de rechtsleer worden gesteld (12), heeft de koper luidens artikel 1644 B.W. de keuze om ofwel

• de zaak terug te geven en zich de prijs te doen terugbetalen, ofwel
• de zaak te behouden en zich een gedeelte van de prijs te doen terugbetalen, welk gedeelte door deskundigen zal worden bepaald.

De eerstgenoemde vordering, die meestal de **koopvernietigende vordering** wordt genoemd, is eigenlijk een vordering tot ontbinding van de koopovereenkomst (13). Aan te stippen valt dat volgens de heersende opvatting de koper, naast of in de plaats van de **koopvernietigende vordering** of de vordering tot prijsvermindering, geen herstelling of vervanging van de gebrekkige zaak mag eisen, omdat dit onverenigbaar is met de twee voormelde vorderingen die door artikel 1644 B.W. aan de koper worden toegekend (14).

Er is echter geen bezwaar tegen dat de partijen in hun overeenkomst anders afspreken, wat in de praktijk vaak gebeurt door middel van zgn. waarborgkaarten of commerciële waarborgen die fabrikanten en voortverkopers aan hun klanten bieden, en wat een geldige contractuele uitbreiding is van de wettelijke vrijwaringsverplichting van de verkoper (15).

De koper die de **koopvernietigende vordering** instelt, kan daarenboven van de verkoper nog schadevergoeding vorderen voor het nadeel dat hij door het verborgen gebrek heeft geleden, maar de omvang ervan verschilt naargelang de verkoper al of niet op de hoogte was van het verborgen gebrek (art. 1645-1646 B.W.) (16).'

(http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZqNsINttpQgC&pg=PA32&lpg=... )
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For the phrase 'latent defect claim', see e.g.:

• 'Other insurances
If you have any other insurance in force on your property you have an obligation to notify the relevant insurer as they may class the **latent defect claim** as a material fact applicable to their policy.' (http://www.premierguarantee.co.uk/media/15162/sip_claim_form... )

• 'Factual summary

Johnston sold his house and shortly thereafter had to deal with a claim for latent defects by his buyers. The latent defect in issue was related to an old oil heating tank that had been buried and caused a contamination due to its perforation.

Faced with this claim, Johnston filed warranty proceedings against his insurer, namely Chubb, on the basis that he was covered for “all property damage which take place anytime during the policy period and are caused by an occurrence”. He therefore sought coverage on his buyer’s **latent defect claim**.

On the other hand, Chubb argued that the latent defect claim from Johnston's buyers could not be considered an “occurrence” as per the policy wording or in general for that matter.' (http://www.thearcgroup.ca/documents/2010 Top Ten Article10b.... )

• 'The Board Certified Construction Specialists at FBSW can help you evaluate your potential claim or defense of a latent defect claim.' (http://fbswlaw.com/practice/construction/defectlitigation/ )


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Note added at 1 day14 hrs (2013-05-30 11:12:22 GMT)
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See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_defect re: latent defect / patent defects in the law of the sale of property
Example sentence:

On the other hand, Chubb argued that the latent defect claim from Johnston's buyers could not be considered an “occurrence” as per the policy wording or in general for that matter.

The Board Certified Construction Specialists at FBSW can help you evaluate your potential claim or defense of a latent defect claim.

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1 hr

redhibitory claim

'The court also relied on a previous case decided by the Louisiana Fifth Circuit, which held that “when a purchaser observes stained ceiling tiles and receives a strong recommendation for a roof inspection from her own real estate agent, but said purchaser ignored the strong recommendation for a roof inspection and proceeds with the purchase, a redhibitory claim based upon a leaking roof must fail.' (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/139148564/REAL-ESTATE-ASSISTANTS... )
Peer comment(s):

agree Marie-Helene Dubois
9 hrs
Thanks Marie-Helene!
neutral Bryan Crumpler : I'd agree, but this term is only applicable to Louisana law - a gallicism stemming from its French-Creole roots (rédhibitoire). Perhaps something more general may suffice?
9 hrs
I was wondering about that myself. Garner's Dictionary of Legal Usage also says that 'Louisiana is the only US jurisdiction in which this civil-law term is used.' However, 'redhibitory action' does seem to be used in e.g. the UK.
agree W Schouten
15 hrs
Thanks! Although I am now not sure this can be used as it does seem to be very specific to Louisiana law (although it does seem to capture the meaning of the Belgian concept perfectly).
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latent claim

See my extensive Discussion entries. This is the best I can come up with at the moment.

Compare the meaning of a 'redhibitory claim' and a 'latent claim':

••• 'redhibitory claim':
'REDHIBITION:

Louisiana is the only American jurisdiction in which this civil-law term is used. It denotes the voidance of a sale as the result of an action brought on account of some defect in something sold, on grounds that the defect renders the thing sold either useless or so imperfect that the buyer would not have purchased if the buyer had known of the defect. Redhibitory is the usual adjectival form.' (Garner's Dictionary of Legal Usage)

••• 'latent claim':
'Latent claims: Claims resulting from perils or causes that the insurer is unaware of at the time of writing a policy, and for which the potential for claims to be made many years later has not been appreciated. The first claims from these sources may often not be apparent until many years after the period of cover. Sources of latent claims already experienced include asbestos- related diseases, pollution and industrial deafness.' (http://actuarialwiki.org/index.php?title=Latent_claims )

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'latent defect: In the law of the sale of property (both real estate and personal property or chattels) a latent defect is a fault in the property that could not have been discovered by a reasonably thorough inspection before the sale.'

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_defect )
Example sentence:

Latent claims: Claims resulting from perils or causes that the insurer is unaware of at the time of writing a policy, and for which the potential for claims to be made many years later has not been appreciated.

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1 day 12 hrs
Dutch term (edited): koopvernietigende vordering instellen

claim rescission of the sale agreement

Zie ook discussie.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Michael Beijer : I am not sure this captures enough of the Dutch concept. What also needs to be included in the translation is reference to the so-called 'latent defect' (het verborgen gebrek).
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