Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
être dans une logique de
English translation:
to be concerned with
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Sarah Bessioud
Nov 7, 2012 20:14
11 yrs ago
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être dans une logique de
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Je comprends bien le sens, mais je doute que l'on utilise le mot : logical en anglais ou un de ses dérivés.
Des idées ? Merci
Voici la phrase :
Dans le cadre des entretiens cliniques individuels, il a été identifié que ces jeunes femmes sont dans une telle logique de survie et dans un tel état de désespoir qu’elles négligent leurs propres besoins affectifs.
Des idées ? Merci
Voici la phrase :
Dans le cadre des entretiens cliniques individuels, il a été identifié que ces jeunes femmes sont dans une telle logique de survie et dans un tel état de désespoir qu’elles négligent leurs propres besoins affectifs.
Proposed translations
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References
| The Logic of ... Survival |
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Nov 21, 2012 06:01: Sarah Bessioud Created KOG entry
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Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Germany
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Works in field
Germany
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Works in: German to English, French to English, English
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to be concerned with
These young women are so concerned with (simply) surviving/survival and are in such a state of despair...
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the people were so concerned with "surviving" that they weren't concerned with playing
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the people were so concerned with "surviving" that they weren't concerned with playing
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philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil
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Sheila Wilson
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Thank you, Sheila
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cc in nyc
: My first impulse was "so consumed with survival" but "concerned" is less dramatic. ;-)
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Thank you, cc
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mimi 254
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Thank you, mimi.
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Cetacea
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Thank you, Cetacea.
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Kate Collyer
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
elegant, eloquent, accurate translation
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: French to English, German to English, Dutch to English, and 1 more.
to be in a mindset of
Their mindset/ mentality/ attitude is focussed purely on survival
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are in such survival mode
Hello,
My try...
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-11-07 22:48:09 GMT)
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logique = mode (here)
My try...
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-11-07 22:48:09 GMT)
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logique = mode (here)
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Daryo
: "are so much in a survival mode" ?// Thanks!
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Thank you, Daryo! No, that doesn't sound very native-like. You could get away with "are so much in survival mode", but no indefinite article (*a*), I'm afraid. Bonne nuit!
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so busy trying to survive that
does not have the same formal sound as 'dans la logique de' but fits in well with the rest
I don't think people in this situation would say 'I was very concerned with my survival'
the thing with être dans la logique is that it can be said about anyone. Someone who thinks they are a victim to a company strategy and so it translates differently for each situatio
I don't think people in this situation would say 'I was very concerned with my survival'
the thing with être dans la logique is that it can be said about anyone. Someone who thinks they are a victim to a company strategy and so it translates differently for each situatio
Example sentence:
so busy trying to survive that they neglected their own emotional needs
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B D Finch
: Good solution.
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cc in nyc
: "busy" implies activity, which may or may not be the case here
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Marie Jackson
: If a more informal register were required, this would be my choice, although cc's point about 'busy' is worth noting.
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Christiane Tanner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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Works in: French to English
so focused on (simply) surviving. so focused on survival
another option
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cc in nyc
: without "simply"
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Marie Jackson
: I like this solution best, and I actually like it with 'simply' too, although it's not a necessity. Interesting how we all have different writing styles!
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Victoria Britten
France
France
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France
Tracking the right turn of phrase
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Works in: French to English, English, French
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be preoccupied with
For me "être dans une logique" implies having that concern constantly in mind, as when one is preoccupied by something.
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Salih YILDIRIM
United States
United States
United States
Meticulous, scrupulous, curious work!
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To be in a logic of
Imho
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Kim Metzger
: Linguistically, grammatically impossible in English.
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Marie Jackson
: What Kim said.
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Cetacea
: This does not make sense in English.
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Daryo
: you do find it, but rarely and only in translated texts, usually not a good sign.
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they are caught up in such a survival struggle
Would not "caught up" translate this - in a figurative meaning?
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or simply caught without "up", rather?
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Note added at 2 days21 hrs (2012-11-10 17:28:43 GMT)
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or simply caught without "up", rather?
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see sentence
"..., il a été identifié que ces jeunes femmes sont dans une telle logique de survie et dans un tel état de désespoir qu’elles négligent leurs propres besoins affectifs.
"... these young women are so set in their logic of survival ...."
logic of survival / survival logic = a way of thinking focused on survival;
"... Millions of dollars are lost every Year by Clubs, Bars, Lounges, Sports Bars,
who are so set in their thinking, they never see the clarity or the reality
of what they are doing that is not generating cash flow, to what they should
be presenting, that would create a cash cow. ..."
[http://www.promotingnightclubs.com/0805-1.htm]
“… I think that there is another even more vicious twist to Harrison’s python. It is one which operates from the very basic survival logic of the child. We may imagine that the child has to work out an answer to the difficult question: “If they love me, why did they send me away?”
[http://www.boardingschoolsurvivors.co.uk/extract_4.html]
The Logic of Survival in a Lunatic World
A review by Robert Brustein
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"...It's better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees," Nately retorted with triumphant and lofty conviction. "I guess you've heard that saying before." "Yes, I certainly have," mused the treacherous old man, smiling again. "But I'm afraid you have it backward. It is better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees. That is the way the saying goes." - Catch-22
Like all superlative works of comedy - and I am ready to argue that this is one of the most bitterly funny works in the language - Catch-22 is based on an unconventional but utterly convincing internal logic.
[http://www.powells.com/review/2001_05_31.html]
btw :
"logic of survival" exactly that order of words: 23 800 ghits
"survival logic" exactly that order of words: 24 300 ghits
"... these young women are so set in their logic of survival ...."
logic of survival / survival logic = a way of thinking focused on survival;
"... Millions of dollars are lost every Year by Clubs, Bars, Lounges, Sports Bars,
who are so set in their thinking, they never see the clarity or the reality
of what they are doing that is not generating cash flow, to what they should
be presenting, that would create a cash cow. ..."
[http://www.promotingnightclubs.com/0805-1.htm]
“… I think that there is another even more vicious twist to Harrison’s python. It is one which operates from the very basic survival logic of the child. We may imagine that the child has to work out an answer to the difficult question: “If they love me, why did they send me away?”
[http://www.boardingschoolsurvivors.co.uk/extract_4.html]
The Logic of Survival in a Lunatic World
A review by Robert Brustein
…
"...It's better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees," Nately retorted with triumphant and lofty conviction. "I guess you've heard that saying before." "Yes, I certainly have," mused the treacherous old man, smiling again. "But I'm afraid you have it backward. It is better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees. That is the way the saying goes." - Catch-22
Like all superlative works of comedy - and I am ready to argue that this is one of the most bitterly funny works in the language - Catch-22 is based on an unconventional but utterly convincing internal logic.
[http://www.powells.com/review/2001_05_31.html]
btw :
"logic of survival" exactly that order of words: 23 800 ghits
"survival logic" exactly that order of words: 24 300 ghits
Reference comments
1 day 6 hrs
Reference:
The Logic of ... Survival
"... One of the conclusions of The Logic of Political Survival is that in many cases good policies are detrimental to political survival, whereas bad policies often enhance political survival. ..."
[http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=51...]
[http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=51...]
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