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Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Italian to English
| I agree, although..... | Dec 8, 2021 |
...words are often borrowed from another language but because of incomprehension or (frequently) ignorance, their original meaning is changed to something completely different.
| | | | P.L.F. Persio 
Netherlands
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| Just my luck! | Dec 8, 2021 |
Mario Cerutti wrote:
This is why I fear that in a not so distant future the Japanese might start speaking like this:
ザ・ジャパニース・ドリンク・ツウ・マッチ, to be read za japanīzu dorinku tsū macchi, the "evolved" Japanese version of "The Japanese drink too much".
I've started to study Japanese this August and, so far, I'm very enthusiastic about it. I didn't think it would be possible for me to learn such a difficult language at my age, and enjoy it so much.
Therefore, I don't look forward to a future when – after having finally learnt to read and write kanji with great effort (plus hiragana and katakana) – I could find myself dealing with Ninglish, an abomination of neither English, nor 日本語 (nihongo, Japanese language).
In order to avoid this, I'm bringing my very small contribution to the preservation of Japanese, by introducing new idioms in my everyday conversations: at every meal, I wish my family bon appétit with いただきます (itadakimasu, lit. "I receive this food", but it has a much more profound meaning), announce that I'm back home, yelling ただいま (tadaima), and say "no" politely with my personal favourite – すみません ちょとう (sumimasen, chotto).
Fear not, o Land of the Rising Sun, I'm coming to your rescue!
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| You don't need to study Japanese for that | Dec 8, 2021 |
Plenty of 13yo anime addicts have doing this for decades now
P.L.F. Persio wrote:
In order to avoid this, I'm bringing my very small contribution to the preservation of Japanese, by introducing new idioms in my everyday conversations: at every meal, I wish my family bon appétit with いただきます (itadakimasu, lit. "I receive this food", but it has a much more profound meaning), announce that I'm back home, yelling ただいま (tadaima), and say "no" politely with my personal favourite – すみません ちょとう (sumimasen, chotto).
Fear not, o Land of the Rising Sun, I'm coming to your rescue!
[Edited at 2021-12-08 17:29 GMT]
| | | | | Hurry up, please! | Dec 9, 2021 |
P.L.F. Persio wrote:
In order to avoid this, I'm bringing my very small contribution to the preservation of Japanese, by introducing new idioms in my everyday conversations: at every meal, I wish my family bon appétit with いただきます (itadakimasu, lit. "I receive this food", but it has a much more profound meaning), announce that I'm back home, yelling ただいま (tadaima), and say "no" politely with my personal favourite – すみません ちょとう (sumimasen, chotto).
Is bon appétit normally used in The Netherlands? I ask because you can hear many people here in Japan say bon appétit (ボナペチ) instead of the more charming itadakimasu.
Fear not, o Land of the Rising Sun, I'm coming to your rescue!
Just hurry up, please!
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Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
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| Itadakimasu. | Dec 10, 2021 |
I hear itadakimasu a lot when I watch recipes by Japanese chefs on Youtube, so much so that I started using it myself. We have an equivalent of “bon appétit” in my language loosely translated as “enjoy your meal” but I think “itadakimasu” is a bit different and more ceremonial.
I am not sure whether bon appétit has an equivalent in Dutch, but in Japan it may have arrived through the influence of French/European cuisine.
| | | | | Why do we always have to put in a new title here??? | Dec 10, 2021 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
I am not sure whether bon appétit has an equivalent in Dutch, but in Japan it may have arrived through the influence of French/European cuisine.
I don't really think so. It's just become fashionable among "advanced and cultured" Japanese people, and many (I swear) don't even know from what language it comes.
| | | | expressisverbis
Portugal
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| I can agree, but... | Dec 10, 2021 |
Tom in London wrote:
...words are often borrowed from another language but because of incomprehension or (frequently) ignorance, their original meaning is changed to something completely different.
... I believe it depends on the influence that one language may exert on another. By assimilating culture, we can use foreign words with little or no modification at all.
Here, for example, the Iberian Peninsula, has been profoundly affected by Arabic culture, and this influence can still be seen today in our vocabulary and architecture.
We still use almost the same pronunciation and the literal meaning in words like "açúcar", the Portuguese word for sugar, which originates from the Arabic "assukkar", and "oxalá" ("insh'allah") which means "would to God", and many more.
[Edited at 2021-12-10 21:39 GMT]
[Edited at 2021-12-10 21:39 GMT]
| | | | P.L.F. Persio
Netherlands
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Member (2010)
English to Italian
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| I'm trying really hard, Mario! | Dec 11, 2021 |
[quote]Mario Cerutti wrote:
P.L.F. Persio wrote: Is bon appétit normally used in The Netherlands? I ask because you can hear many people here in Japan say bon appétit (ボナペチ) instead of the more charming itadakimasu.
Fear not, o Land of the Rising Sun, I'm coming to your rescue!
Just hurry up, please!
I've used bon appétit only because everybody in the world understands it, just like merci. In the Netherlands, they say eet smakelijk, but I've noticed that in Limburg – the Southern region with Maastricht, close to the Belgian border – they often pepper their conversations with French terms.
Mario, I'm doing the best I can here, but you know that it's not easy: still 2,136 kanji, or even more to go for me. But I hear you, so let's unite in the struggle for a Japanese language that retains all of its original, weird and wonderful flavours.
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