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Tom in London
Обединеното кралство
Local time: 23:54
Италиански на Английски
| Practically vibrant | Sep 18, 2025 |
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
....My son was able to go to a crèche when he was two because one was opened in the village for the migrant children
Horrors! Your son is being contaminated by migrant children! His culture is being replaced !!!
| | | | Baran Keki 
Турция
Local time: 01:54
Член
Английски на Turkish
| Make no mistake | Sep 18, 2025 |
Barry and European racists are not entirely against immigration. They're acutely aware of the fact that the white folk don't/won't breed as much as needed, and Barry himself being gay is unable to perform 'natural obligations' and do his bit.
These are the kinds of of asylum seekers/refugees/migrants they want:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/30/a-godsend-the-white-afrikaners-lining-up-to-accept-trumps-offer-of-asylum
But alas, they're in such short supply, and Trump was quick to get them through the good offices of Elon Musk to replace Hispanics and other undesirables.
| | | | Sarah Elizab (X)
Италия
Local time: 00:54
Италиански на Английски
Tom in London wrote:
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
....My son was able to go to a crèche when he was two because one was opened in the village for the migrant children
Horrors! Your son is being contaminated by migrant children! His culture is being replaced !!!
I jumped at the chance to send him. His best friend there was a little girl from Eritrea. Our families are close.
My point was that the embrace of migrants in this village has saved it, at least for now, opening up possibilities for locals as well that were otherwise unavailable. The local primary school was also saved, thanks to the influx of migrants.
I described the village as 'practically vibrant' because unemployment and underemployment are still painfully high and it remains to be seen whether this cultural shift and embrace will solve it. But the people of the village, locals and migrants together, are committed to trying.
They are striving to make it a model of successful integration, and it seems to be working. People and groups come there from all over to learn about it and study it, writing articles and making documentaries about it.
| | | | P.L.F. Persi (X)
Нидерландия
Local time: 00:54
Английски на Италиански
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| It's OK, Sarah | Sep 18, 2025 |
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
My point was that the embrace of migrants in this village has saved it, at least for now, opening up possibilities for locals as well that were otherwise unavailable. The local primary school was also saved, thanks to the influx of migrants.
I described the village as 'practically vibrant' because unemployment and underemployment are still painfully high and it remains to be seen whether this cultural shift and embrace will solve it. But the people of the village, locals and migrants together, are committed to trying.
They are striving to make it a model of successful integration, and it seems to be working. People and groups come there from all over to learn about it and study it, writing articles and making documentaries about it.
Tom was mocking the trolls, clutching their pearls and shouting Won't somebody think of the children! What they're doing in your husband's village is an outstanding example of good will. You say they're committed to trying, and that's the spirit. United we stand!
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Additionally, this post does not adhere to Rule 4: Replies should not stray from the posted topic (https://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/4#4). | Sarah Elizab (X)
Италия
Local time: 00:54
Италиански на Английски
| emigration, not low birth rate | Sep 18, 2025 |
The village was dying because of decades of reluctant emigration, due to near total lack of work opportunities. The people who remain there and the people who left have children. Two, maximum three, rather than the seven or eight that was typical a generation or two ago. In any case, low birth rate is not the issue there.
Now that the village is being revived, thanks to having become a migrant centre, some of the families who emigrated are coming back. And I expect more will do so.<... See more The village was dying because of decades of reluctant emigration, due to near total lack of work opportunities. The people who remain there and the people who left have children. Two, maximum three, rather than the seven or eight that was typical a generation or two ago. In any case, low birth rate is not the issue there.
Now that the village is being revived, thanks to having become a migrant centre, some of the families who emigrated are coming back. And I expect more will do so.
What kept the village and neighboring villages working when my husband was a kid was a Dutch flower company. Then the Dutch owners sold it to locals, who made a mess of it and that was the end of that.
The kinds of businesses that are now being opened and started up there, thanks to the migrant program, are traditional local things like a pottery workshop, apiculture and a dairy to produce local cheeses.
I wrote about orange pickers earlier in the thread to show that it's complicated, because it is. But this is what one village is doing, faced with the global situation, and it seems to be working, for everyone.
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| | | | | Only one world for all | Sep 18, 2025 |
P.L.F. Persio wrote:
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
My point was that the embrace of migrants in this village has saved it, at least for now, opening up possibilities for locals as well that were otherwise unavailable. The local primary school was also saved, thanks to the influx of migrants.
I described the village as 'practically vibrant' because unemployment and underemployment are still painfully high and it remains to be seen whether this cultural shift and embrace will solve it. But the people of the village, locals and migrants together, are committed to trying.
They are striving to make it a model of successful integration, and it seems to be working. People and groups come there from all over to learn about it and study it, writing articles and making documentaries about it.
Tom was mocking the trolls, clutching their pearls and shouting Won't somebody think of the children! What they're doing in your husband's village is an outstanding example of good will. You say they're committed to trying, and that's the spirit. United we stand!
What this troll, who keeps vomiting his hate speech infested with revolting xenophobia every single time he participates in this topic (or in every topic at ProZ forums, as we have already seen), doesn't understand is that there's only one world for everybody to live in, one world for all, no matter the economic condition, skin color, gender identity, or any other BS bias.
It's just one world for all, and thus everybody has the right to search for better opportunities to live and thrive in any place in this only world.
The truly pathetic thing is that the troll himself is an economic migrant. He must struggle a lot not to hate his reflection when he sees that poor alien in the mirror.
Lieven Malaise wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
I wouldn't mind at all. But the German government doesn't deport anyone.
You "literally cannot go back to Ireland because of the severe shortage of housing", but you wouldn't mind at all to be sent back to that same country.
You're so full of s**t that the toilet is jealous. [Bijgewerkt op 2025-09-04 07:20 GMT]
Oh yes! And by now, the repeated hate speech he keeps spewing is quite monotonous and boring. The troll seems like an AI chatbot.
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| Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate | Sep 18, 2025 |
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
P.L.F. Persio wrote:
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
My point was that the embrace of migrants in this village has saved it, at least for now, opening up possibilities for locals as well that were otherwise unavailable. The local primary school was also saved, thanks to the influx of migrants.
I described the village as 'practically vibrant' because unemployment and underemployment are still painfully high and it remains to be seen whether this cultural shift and embrace will solve it. But the people of the village, locals and migrants together, are committed to trying.
They are striving to make it a model of successful integration, and it seems to be working. People and groups come there from all over to learn about it and study it, writing articles and making documentaries about it.
Tom was mocking the trolls, clutching their pearls and shouting Won't somebody think of the children! What they're doing in your husband's village is an outstanding example of good will. You say they're committed to trying, and that's the spirit. United we stand!
What this troll, who keeps vomiting his hate speech infested with revolting xenophobia every single time he participates in this topic (or in every topic at ProZ forums, as we have already seen), doesn't understand is that there's only one world for everybody to live in, one world for all, no matter the economic condition, skin color, gender identity, or any other BS bias.
It's just one world for all, and thus everybody has the right to search for better opportunities to live and thrive in any place in this only world.
The truly pathetic thing is that the troll himself is an economic migrant. He must struggle a lot not to hate his reflection when he sees that poor alien in the mirror.
Lieven Malaise wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
I wouldn't mind at all. But the German government doesn't deport anyone.
You "literally cannot go back to Ireland because of the severe shortage of housing", but you wouldn't mind at all to be sent back to that same country.
You're so full of s**t that the toilet is jealous. [Bijgewerkt op 2025-09-04 07:20 GMT]
Oh yes! And by now, the repeated hate speech he keeps spewing is quite monotonous and boring. The troll seems like an AI chatbot.
@Sarah and @Persio, there is no point in wasting time trying to explain feelings, such as kindness and empathy, to a hater.
https://youtu.be/C94f3jCyvMA?si=eJv6M3PdDOByjP1q
| | | | Philip Lees
Гърция
Local time: 01:54
Гръцки на Английски
| Linguistic point | Sep 19, 2025 |
As this thread has now been well and truly hijacked, let me try and steer it back towards a more linguistic perspective.
For example: A British person who lives in Greece is called an "expatriate", but a Greek who lives in Britain is called an "immigrant"? Why?
As somebody who has spent most of his adult life as an immigrant (coming up to 50 years), I find this curious. Also, having spent so many years as an immigrant, when I see that word I think of "someone like me". ... See more As this thread has now been well and truly hijacked, let me try and steer it back towards a more linguistic perspective.
For example: A British person who lives in Greece is called an "expatriate", but a Greek who lives in Britain is called an "immigrant"? Why?
As somebody who has spent most of his adult life as an immigrant (coming up to 50 years), I find this curious. Also, having spent so many years as an immigrant, when I see that word I think of "someone like me". Someone, that is, who has tried to build a life in a country different from the one where they were born.
Whereas the word "expatriate", for me at least, has connotations of a person taking their culture with them and trying to impose it on a different place, rather than adapting to the culture where they find themselves. For example, I have met "expatriates" who lived in Greece for decades without learning to speak the language properly. They still expect to find Greek people who can speak English to help them - and of course they do!
So perhaps we should be making a distinction between "immigrants" and "expatriates", but a different kind of distinction than the historical one. Perhaps immigrants should be welcomed, but expatriates shunned.
I think some of the immigrants on this forum who have already contributed to the discussion would probably agree with me; others, probably not.
All I can say is that I am grateful for the fact that during all the years I have lived here, most of the time I have felt welcomed, and not shunned. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Sarah Elizab (X)
Италия
Local time: 00:54
Италиански на Английски
| whys and wherefores | Sep 19, 2025 |
Philip Lees wrote:
A British person who lives in Greece is called an "expatriate", but a Greek who lives in Britain is called an "immigrant"? Why?
As somebody who has spent most of his adult life as an immigrant (coming up to 50 years), I find this curious. Also, having spent so many years as an immigrant, when I see that word I think of "someone like me". Someone, that is, who has tried to build a life in a country different from the one where they were born.
Whereas the word "expatriate", for me at least, has connotations of a person taking their culture with them and trying to impose it on a different place, rather than adapting to the culture where they find themselves. For example, I have met "expatriates" who lived in Greece for decades without learning to speak the language properly. They still expect to find Greek people who can speak English to help them - and of course they do!
So perhaps we should be making a distinction between "immigrants" and "expatriates", but a different kind of distinction than the historical one. Perhaps immigrants should be welcomed, but expatriates shunned.
Thought provoking! This would make a fascinating study. Interestingly, Oxford dates 'migrant' to the late 17th century, 'expatriate' and 'emigrant' to the mid 18th century and 'immigrant' to the late 18th century.
I agree about the connotations of 'expatriate' (and especially expat), particularly the part about imposing culture. I would see 'imposition of culture' rather than 'adaptation to culture' more as the difference between my lived experience of 'expatriate' and 'immigrant', though.
And on the immigrant side, I feel like there's an aspect of need, of one kind or another. I don't think of myself as an immigrant because I wasn't 'leaving' my country, I was 'moving' to a different one. And I don't think of myself as an expatriate because I speak the language where I live and have fully adapted to the culture. I suppose also because, for me at least, 'expatriate' also carries a connotation of independent financial security. I traded relative financial security for relative insecurity, and in this I am basically an anomaly among my 'expat' friends.
| | | | Zea_Mays
Италия
Local time: 00:54
Английски на Немски
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| a matter of perspective | Sep 19, 2025 |
Philip Lees wrote:
A British person who lives in Greece is called an "expatriate", but a Greek who lives in Britain is called an "immigrant"?
I think it's because the perspective is from an internal point of view: who leaves the country is an expatriate (ex = out), who comes to the country is an immigrant (im = in).
In the past, "expatriates" were called "emigrants", and who imposes their own culture a "colonialist".
[Bearbeitet am 2025-09-19 11:02 GMT]
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Lingua 5B
Босна и Херцеговина
Local time: 00:54
Английски на Френски
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| Another perspective | Sep 19, 2025 |
Immigrant = leaves for higher salaries
Expat = leaves for cheaper prices
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| | | | | Lazy white women | Sep 19, 2025 |
Shame on you, the lot of you. You’re letting your entire race down with your selfishness. Now get back in the kitchen and expect a good seeing to when us menfolk get home now that Gerard has shown us the light.
Fair play, top trolling to now somehow lever misogyny and abortion into the equation. We are in the presence of a master. Just a bit of anti-trans rhetoric left for a full house.
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The Shredder wrote:
Just a bit of anti-trans rhetoric left for a full house.
I was wondering who'd be the first to bring us transgender folk into this 'discusssion'.
Pity it had to be you, Shredder!
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