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juvera 
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Of course, not all "green" subtitlers are like the ones I am talking about, and I am glad, that you are not one of them. I usually persevered with most of the new ones for a while to see, how much they were willing to learn from the corrections they received.
The sad truth was that not many, even when they were repeatedly asked to change bad habits, bad grammar, or observe common sense conventions or even rules required to produce decent work. I wasn't shocked by the lack of knowle... See more Of course, not all "green" subtitlers are like the ones I am talking about, and I am glad, that you are not one of them. I usually persevered with most of the new ones for a while to see, how much they were willing to learn from the corrections they received.
The sad truth was that not many, even when they were repeatedly asked to change bad habits, bad grammar, or observe common sense conventions or even rules required to produce decent work. I wasn't shocked by the lack of knowledge when it came to special expressions or slang, or formating the subtitles, but the lack of observation, lack of discipline, disregard of the advice given repeatedly.
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| | | | absciarretta
United States
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| First subtitle job... | Feb 20, 2007 |
I am currently doing my first subtitling job, from audio files, including transcribing, cueing and translating and even at 7£ a minute, if I had known what I was letting myself in for I doubt I would have said yes... Well, I might have if I had the correct software for it instead of typing it all in by hand in a Word doc.
| | | | juvera
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| That's what we were trying to warn people about | Feb 20, 2007 |
Dear Birgitte,
That's why it is important to get to know the ins and outs of what people usually simply call "subtitling".
The fee you are getting would be right for translation only.
The transcription from audio tapes is a job in itself, and the time-cueing is another.
On top of that, the full transcription is not the same as time-cued subtitles. It has to be consolidated, reduced to fit the timing, length, time restriction and reading speed... See more Dear Birgitte,
That's why it is important to get to know the ins and outs of what people usually simply call "subtitling".
The fee you are getting would be right for translation only.
The transcription from audio tapes is a job in itself, and the time-cueing is another.
On top of that, the full transcription is not the same as time-cued subtitles. It has to be consolidated, reduced to fit the timing, length, time restriction and reading speed of the subtitles.
Some people are experienced in producing subtitles with time-cues, straight from the tapes, but these are always done in the original language.
That's what the translator of the subtitles would use to prepare the translation.
The software would have saved the typing in of the timing, and would give you a better control.
I hope that at least it is an interesting project, and you learn a lot about subtitling in the maintime.
Good luck
Judith
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| | | | Sylvano
Local time: 10:39
English to French
Yes, subtitling can be very enjoyable, but it's not as cool a job as many may think. It's a lot of (skilled) work. And in that field as in many others, quality has a (minimum) price...
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absciarretta
United States
Local time: 09:39
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| Thanks Judith | Feb 21, 2007 |
It is interesting and not too complicated, just way too much work for a first time.
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20-30?
5-6?
Oh, oh......
The company I worked for until few months paid (per minute):
1,60 EUR - movies
1,75 EUR - documentaries
That's from English into Croatian. I was naïve when I started, but I did my math and gave up.
Later on I've heard (hearsay) that translators into other languages, which work for that same company, are paid at least two times more then we are. I don't know for sure how much the translators into Croatian tha... See more 20-30?
5-6?
Oh, oh......
The company I worked for until few months paid (per minute):
1,60 EUR - movies
1,75 EUR - documentaries
That's from English into Croatian. I was naïve when I started, but I did my math and gave up.
Later on I've heard (hearsay) that translators into other languages, which work for that same company, are paid at least two times more then we are. I don't know for sure how much the translators into Croatian that do not live in Croatia are paid (another hearsay - they were paid as others, but when this company started to recruit translators in Croatia, they got the same amount as above, and that is the reason why they do not translate, they just "simulate").
I know that I'm not allowed to name that company. I do not even dare to mention the "magnificent" piece of software that we have to use if we are to work for them. Once I mentioned that I hate it, and few weeks later a guy from that company called me by phone and started nagging me as why do I hate it? I answer why, gave him bunch of reasons, and he said "that's not to reason to hate it". Well, it is to me!
PS - I forgot to mention that above price is including tax, but during negotiations that was not mentioned. Only after few months they told us (even then indirectly) that we have to pay the tax out of that sum. Thats when I decided to give up.
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| | | | | pricing.. (aiyy!) | Jun 8, 2007 |
Tuliparola wrote:
Lately I visited a colleague who is subtitling. It it is much more time-consuming than I thought.
You have to learn how to apply the special subtitling software. She was paid a fixed amount per film.
The time factor is more important here than the amount of text.
Ahmed and Sokolniki:
how much time do you need per minute?
Regards
Steffi
How much per film (more or less??)
thnx
| | | | | Then... What would be appropriate? | Sep 9, 2007 |
I've been reading your e-mails about pricing and please let me know if these are correct rates:
Subtitle translation: USD 6 per minute.
Subtitle creation and translation: USD 20/25 per minute.
How much would it be subtitle creation alone?
Thank you!
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| this seems to be in the ballpark | Sep 16, 2007 |
sokolniki wrote:
..$5.50 - $6.00 per minute.
I recently did my first job of translating subtitles. I was given a time-coded transcription to work from and I did the job in Word. I was paid by the word, not by minutes of film, but it worked out to slightly more than $6.00 per minute of video. It took me about 6 hours to translate a 20-minute video, so I ended up earning just over my usual hourly rate for proofreading.
I enjoyed the challenge of making the translation accurate, concise, and easily readable.
| | | | kmtext
United Kingdom
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| Subtitling/template origination rates | Oct 14, 2007 |
The normal rate paid by most companies for monolingual subtitling or translation template origination is £3-£4 per minute, which works out at about US$6-8 per minute at current exchange rates. Origination including translation is about £6 per minute, or US$12. If anyone knows of a company which pays more, let me know!
The rate has fallen by about 30% over the last four years.
| | | | Maya Gorgoshidze
Georgia
Local time: 12:39
Member (2004)
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kmtext wrote:
... If anyone knows of a company which pays more, let me know!
OK, but please always keep in mind the site rule: http://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/8#8
Outsourcers may not be discussed specifically.
Regards,
Maya
| | | | OffMag
France
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| French subtitlers | Nov 26, 2007 |
I was just offered 3€/min in France, which is so low I would have to subtitle 2 feature films per week to make a living.
My minimum is 5€/min : subtitling with script, no cueing.
To those who are translators. Subtitling is a different job. You have to learn it.
Also : you can't write bills with an URSSAF affiliation. You need an AGESSA affiliation.
Agencies are not allowed to ask a freelancer to cue a film. They have to offer an employment contract for ... See more I was just offered 3€/min in France, which is so low I would have to subtitle 2 feature films per week to make a living.
My minimum is 5€/min : subtitling with script, no cueing.
To those who are translators. Subtitling is a different job. You have to learn it.
Also : you can't write bills with an URSSAF affiliation. You need an AGESSA affiliation.
Agencies are not allowed to ask a freelancer to cue a film. They have to offer an employment contract for that ("contrat d'intermittent"). As a subtitler you could get into trouble with the Social Security if you do more than subtitling without a contract. ▲ Collapse
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juvera
Local time: 09:39
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natjaschon wrote:
I was just offered 3€/min in France, which is so low I would have to subtitle 2 feature films per week to make a living.
My minimum is 5€/min : subtitling with script, no cueing.
To those who are translators. Subtitling is a different job. You have to learn it.
Also : you can't write bills with an URSSAF affiliation. You need an AGESSA affiliation.
Agencies are not allowed to ask a freelancer to cue a film. They have to offer an employment contract for that ("contrat d'intermittent"). As a subtitler you could get into trouble with the Social Security if you do more than subtitling without a contract.
This is the first time I heard of this practice - compulsory employment - for film cueing. I wonder if France is the only place where this happens.
I agree with you that 3€ is way too low, on the other hand I can't quite understand this remark:
I would have to subtitle 2 feature films per week to make a living.
Translating the subtitles of two feature films per week - if you are not translating other things beside - is a pretty average performance. I would think three films per week a reasonably good one, but not outstanding. In other words around 60 minutes of an average film a day should be achievable, even with mediocre typing abilities, like I have.
There is the occasional stinker, of course, but things tend to average out on the long run.
| | | | Sylvano
Local time: 10:39
English to French
| French way to do things... | Nov 26, 2007 |
juvera wrote:
This is the first time I heard of this practice - compulsory employment - for film cueing. I wonder if France is the only place where this happens.
What she meant is translating a movie is paid as "droits d'auteur", whereas cueing it is considered a technical task and has to be paid as "salaire". Two different kinds of money, as far as French law and taxes are concerned.
Well, France is a strange place anyway. You can even regularly get 12 to 15 € per minute of programme there (cueing included)...
Translating the subtitles of two feature films per week is a pretty average performance. I would think three films per week a reasonably good one, but not outstanding.
See above. No (French) client would dare ask you to do that in France. The usual timing would be one movie a week. If you can deliver quality working that fast, good for you. Three features a week would include cueing and rehearsing/proofing them ?
| | | | juvera
Local time: 09:39
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| Slight misunderstanding | Nov 26, 2007 |
Sylvano wrote: Well, France is a strange place anyway. You can even regularly get 12 to 15 € per minute of programme there (cueing included)...
Translating the subtitles of two feature films per week is a pretty average performance. I would think three films per week a reasonably good one, but not outstanding.
See above. No (French) client would dare ask you to do that in France. The usual timing would be one movie a week. If you can deliver quality working that fast, good for you. Three features a week would include cueing and rehearsing/proofing them ?
No, I said "translating".
Couldn't immagine anybody doing the whole caboodle for 3€/minute. I yet to hear of an agency offering such a low rate, and if anybody is willing to accept it, they really couldn't make a living on that.
That's why I assumed it was translating only, and even that is on the very low side.
And of course, cueing is time-consuming. To do all this work would be about 5-6 minutes of film in a hour, plus proofing, which is about twice the time of the duration of the film. Proofing one's own work doesn't take too long, because usually we are unaware of a lot of our own mistakes.
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